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Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran
Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran
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1492 Celebrity Doctor Nicole Bell, DDS on Cosmetic Dentistry & Facial Esthetics : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran

1492 Celebrity Doctor Nicole Bell, DDS on Cosmetic Dentistry & Facial Esthetics : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran

11/3/2020 3:00:00 AM   |   Comments: 2   |   Views: 635
Dr. Nicole Bell is a celebrity injector and oral surgeon. Dr. Bell is popular amongst and has treated a host of celebrities and social media influencers including some of you may currently be following including Darcey Silva, Stacy Silva, the real housewives of New Jersey, mob wives, activist and reality star Yandy Smith and Love and Hip Hop’s Jonathan Fernandez and a host of beauty and make up influencers which can be seen on her Instagram @theelipdoctor. Dr. Bell has also launched her product line which includes the lip doctor makeup and skin care line and it sold out in less than 30 days of launch and has gained popularity among her followers. Dr. Bell’s current ventures include expanding her product line and influencing the future medical doctors of the world with the launch of Theelipdoctor University in 2021.

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It's just a huge huge huge honor for me to be podcasting not the lip doctor but the lip  Dr Nicole Bell who goes by Nikki Bell she is a celebrity injector and oral surgeon she has been recently interviewed by black enterprise magazine for a feature on women in business rolling out magazine and New York Newsday what is she wearing cameo dr bell has received the following long island business news award in 2018 the New York power women's award in 2019 the Dominican dental society award for lecturing and the top doctor award in new York for 2019 she recently lectured at the new York state women's dental conference on the beauty and business of Botox in October 2019 she is lectured in las Vegas at the aesthetic medical conference and October 27 panelists for fit doctor new York female health discussion board dr bell hosted a Jamaica mission trip with the Grammy award-winning pastor Donnie McClurkin and with the clearance to work in maximum sentencing facilities around the island in September 2019 dr bell appeared on season 3 episode 1 of 90 day fiancé along with her patient and reality tv star Darcy Silva which aired in august 2019 dr bell is popular amongst and has treated a host of celebrities and social media influencers including some of you uh may currently be following including Darcy Silva Stacy Silva the real housewives of new jersey mob wives activists and reality star Yandi smith and lovin hip hops Jonathan Fernandez and a host of beauty and makeup influences which can be seen on our Instagram the lip doctor which has 23 000 followers I’d have to live to be about 198 years old to even catch that dr bell has also launched your product line which includes the lip doctor makeup and skin care line and is sold out in less than 30 days of launch and has gained popularity among her followers dr bell's current ventures include expanding her product line and influencing the future medical doctors of the world with the launch of the lib dr university in 2021 Nicki thank you so much for coming on the show today i knew it was a long shot to get a celebrity like you to come on the show but you're graciously obliged how are you doing today i am feeling so well today thank you for having me it's a pleasure for me to even be on here i think that you first even recognized me after my black enterprise publication and um i was i felt honored that you even acknowledged it so I’m very very happy and excited to be here on a forum that represents my profession that well thank you um i always thought you know what I’ve always done for cosmetics is whenever i go to dinner with someone i just turn out the lights or i sit by the light and unscrew the light bulb um i i just think what you do has to be very stressful because your clientele has crazy expectations i mean when I’m doing a filling on a molar they're not even going to see it but i i i would never want to be a fellow in the academy of cosmetics i would never want to do your job i not no i wouldn't rather be a pediatric dentist at that point i would just quit dentistry turn in my license but is it kind of stressful working on patients who have such high expectations do you know what um it used to be so initially when i was trying to find my way um in the aesthetic world um you're there's a learning curve to everything that we do so it felt that way for quite a while um however that quickly changed so along with me understanding just like anything else once you master a procedure and you know your confidence is there and you you deliver a lot of successful results then that all changes and um i must say that aesthetics to me feels um just a little bit more pleasurable than than all of the other procedures that I’ve done with for 20 years so for me dentistry became a little mundane and that was a personal thing uh i still love it and i still enjoy and i still practice it and and dentistry is my bread and butter so it is my heart how and especially the cosmetics um however aesthetics I’m a woman I’m a mature woman of a certain age so this became very exciting for me this is something that um i could also perform in myself and share my results with and i could help other women to make decisions and and you know what I’m leaving out males there are just as many males out there that need our services in the aesthetic world so i have to admit that it doesn't feel intimidating at all it's actually a lot of fun and the before and after that instant gratification makes it very exciting okay well this is dentistry uncensored so I’m going to ask you a very brutally honest question um you know when i when i see the people crushing in cosmetics they're always just gorgeous people i mean look at you look at bill dorfman you never see a fat short bald guy in Beverly hills crushing it in facelifts tummy tucks so if you're young and in dental school would it be honest to say if you want to be a cosmetic dentist you might want to look in the mirror first i mean you wouldn't go you wouldn't go to an aerobics class if it was a 400 pound lady smoking a cigar drinking a keg um do you think that a lot of a big part of the formula is you got to be hot yourself nope I’m going to beg to differ really tons of um doctors out there look at dr Miami i think he's very in terms of looks ordinary and he is huge on this spectrum and i know that's surgical so it's a little different but he also does a lot of the aesthetics i know that personally but there are a lot of uh doctors out there getting attention and i think it kind of just depends on who you connect to and who your audience becomes so it's not based on the person and i hope that no one judges me purely on my my looks my my race or ethnicity or for any other factor and and i have lived my life trying not to do the same thing not engage people for personal reasons um of course you like someone but i hope that the things that i say and that i do and that i endorse help to influence their decision to me that's far more important but no i don't think that it's i think at first glance i mean I’m a woman and i like glamorous things and i exude that and so does my office and i can't help myself it is who i am however it doesn't define me and it certainly did not um assist me at all with me attaining my education when I’m very serious about my education and what kind of effort i put into it so so you're saying i could be a cosmetic dentist and a personal trainer really my gosh I’m gonna start I’m gonna start with the mr universe trainer first I’m gonna see I’m gonna see how many people come to my classes wonderful idea and you know what's funny so every morning on my Instagram page i post my workout before you see me turn into the lip doctor and put on a coat and engage with the patients in my office in the professional environment so they actually i feel like they engage with me personally so there are people that follow me purely for fitness just a couple of months ago i was in the airport and a woman stopped me and she's like oh my god you're in the airport at 5 00 a.m instead of in your doing your workout so people right like to know that you're multifaceted you're real and there's a there's an actual person there with a real lifestyle so um um rolling out did a great article on you i published it in on dental town under cosmetic dentistry says nicole the lip doctor bell redefining cosmetic dentistry um what do you what did that mean by redefining cosmetic dentistry what was the uh the just the article because most of the people listening right now they're either commuting to work or if they're not very lucky in life they're on the treadmill stuck for an hour and uh so so what what is that if they if they can't read it right now um but what is the jest of that article uh so read the redefine part if i remember correctly because i think i remember my interview for that one fairly well it wasn't that long ago um we discussed a lot about the change of my office environment from being purely cosmetic dental to aesthetics and it is now a spa environment and for dentists that's not a simple conversion also i launched at the same time as this came out a product line and i just went straight into makeup i skipped over skincare and went directly into makeup and i wanted to get my lipsticks out there and i wanted to endorse you know my my i call it my fun side i learned a lot about skincare and makeup from uh having this aesthetic background and like i said these are things that i enjoy so I’m I’m plumping lips and and smoothing faces uh but they're then you know as women we also enjoy um that beauty aspect and so the way that we look is very important to us and it's especially important to me um so when that article did come out they were surprised that they were unaware that i was also launching a product line at the same exact time and they were very impressed by my endeavor um and i guess most doctors how i don't know a lot of doctors that have skin care and product lines or that endorse them personally usually you know there's a third-party company or someone assisting them or they already have some kind of personal celebrity and i do not um one of the things that grabbed my attention the most on that article was saying that um um your decision to be you were thinking about dentistry medicine uh but a big influence in your life was the dean of your dental school uh most people if they could shoot the dean of their dental school and not get caught and go to jail they they sign up for they'd buy a thousand dollar lottery ticket um you actually are are you are you on the record for saying that you actually liked your dental school dean um so i had an interesting experience i think my entire life is like this full of stories um when i went to meharry um it was a new area for me I’m a new yorker I’m moving to nashville tennessee it was the school of my dreams so i get down there I’m not expecting much i don't i don't know what to expect I’m a young girl from new York going out to nashville tennessee um and uh when i originally actually she interviewed me uh prior to me getting in so so she interviewed me so i met her i had a uh i already was familiar with her and had no idea that later on we would develop a true mentorship and in life and for the rest of my life so not only did i end up babysitting her children after i got into school there we developed a personal relationship and i was her babysitter for four years and i love her children like i love my own children um and to this day and i still know them and I’m still in contact with them and they're high schoolers and i raised them i saw them since they were babies but uh she's also my sorority sister and that sisterhood is everything so I’m an aka she's an aka i joined later on throughout my years as i matriculated through my harry and she was part of that inspiration and i admired her she's a businesswoman she's a you know a professional she's a she's an administrator of a medical college she's she's everything she's fabulous so she really influenced me um when i delivered that keynote speech i directed all my attention towards her and she was my she sat next to me during that delivery moment it was so big you know what all that celebrity stuff it could go down the drain that to me that's the ultimate because I’m big into education both my parents were educators uh well that that is interesting you know we just lost uh the first dental school dean um that i ever heard that that people actually liked him uh was uh the one at u of p who just passed away digoni um dr dagoni and Arizona has two dental schools and it has one in mesa midwestern it has one in uh mesa is a a.t still and the one in Glendale is midwestern and the dean of the at still jack dillenberg um digoni art de gone was his idol because in our generation our age if you were older um the the deans were all still like marine guys like i like when you wax up your first crown show 10 how does this look they just crushed it uh their job they they really they I’m sure they loved us but they thought in their walnut brain that the meaner and harder and tougher they were they'd make real men out of us and they didn't realize that um by the time we got out of there we'd take a sniper shot on them if if we could have so you know it's been a huge change in culture and i just think it's so cool um and that dean that you're talking about is uh cheray farmer dixon dds mspa right is that the right one absolutely now please please don't tell me her yes please don't tell me that she converted you to Nashville country music from new York long island rock and roll i know a little bit she did you guys a lot of things but the country music one wasn't a home run that one didn't get you all the way Memphis is Memphis i gotta tell the international Shania twain fan down there huge and dixie chicks ah well i gotta tell you um the best part of america really is their music i mean and you only got three places you got um you got bill street uh in Memphis you got uh bourbon street in new Orleans and uh and then uh Nashville Tennessee you got second avenue and I’m telling you if you say well I’m not into jazz I’m not into I’m those aren't my three genres I’m a 70s 80s rocker when you're on bourbon street bill street or second avenue you're totally into that music yeah so that just gets you so um so you said you were uh sorority sisters i assume that just means you're drinking buddies uh but uh um what does what does a sorority mean to you because a lot of kids in dental school when they're looking at a hundred thousand dollars of a year in student loans they want to cut back and not do sororities fraternities all that kind of stuff but as you get older in life you realize it's not what you know it's what you know who you know and networking do you think joining a sorority on dental student loans is worth the investment just for networking and mentors or is that an expenditure that you would give up um so for me i would pay ten times what i paid during my experience um because of all the benefits that have come along with it since i joined um so historically black colleges have sororities and fraternities that operate very differently i was unable to actually drink and do behave like that during my initiation process they're very it's very different it's very strong in academics and they're a little harder on you and the hazing process is a little different so it's not a party frat house type of environment i don't even we didn't even have frat homes on our campus or anything like that so it's very different the experience we take it very seriously and the educational component is what comes into part but what biggest part of it is that service element um so when you join you are joined like you know for a lifetime and you have to practice service my mother also I’m a legacy she was a past member of my sorority and um i learned a lot watching her grow up and being uh involved in cotillions and some of the their their events um so i i learned a lot about the all of this service that they provide scholarships for a lot of students that are underprivileged to get into schools they go into neighborhoods nursing homes routinely and neighborhoods that are underserved and really teach hands-on traditionally we do that uh all the time we're very engaged so it gives us a huge connection we're actually more active after grad school from grad school on than most sororities and fraternities are known for doing we're extremely active after the educational period and when you said um you said in your words um minority uh black minority dental school when you think of a black minority dental school is that mainly Howard university which is named after me Howard and uh mahari is it just me and my harry is is that the only two or is there would you consider three four or five yes so there's a host of them and they're all over Howard and unfortunately how are university was it named after you but it wasn't my gosh i i thought the whole time it was named after me what i could tell you now is that the the uh the there are only three medical schools that are historically black medical schools and that's Howard mayhary and morehouse so um years ago like for my grandparents there weren't a lot of options for them um when they were pursuing their professional education and those were the main three options so i grew up learning a lot about that in my household and that's why it was very important for me to go to maher attend my hearing so do you think um do you think morehouse and atlanta do you think they should start a dental school of course i do okay why don't we why don't you start the the uh my gosh the uh the more house the lip dr morehouse dental school of atlanta they probably asked me to start as fellman first before across the street rather than morehouse but with the women but yes no we should combine it and they yes they should actually add one a dental component why not well you know i i want to i want to ask you you know this dentistry on censor i i the controversial stuff um when you um when you got when you got out of dentals when you started dental school did it seem to you that it was a uh white male world and now um and that a woman or a minority was he was was uh outsider underrepresented and is does it still feel that way today in 2020 um yes so it's always felt that way and i think that's why a lot of black Americans are up in arms now and we just now we're able to i feel like openly admit to it more nothing's changed nothing's really improved nothing's gotten better um it is heightened um just by all the issues that are going on right now um it did did it feel worse yes so um it did simply because it took longer for things to start evolving so i'll give you a perfect example from the day that i stepped out of dental school and joined the Nassau county dental society i was the only black member and board member board member I’ll say there were less than five life members and i would say i was the only black member out of about a couple hundred i would say like two to about 200 for uh eight years and then um things started changing a little bit you'd see a few more and a few more you meet a few more and i mean it just it took time and it's you know it's something that you openly feel but it's difficult to for that for you to express to the other races you're feeling that now for someone like me i grew up in a in a white neighborhood and uh i you know my environment had been like that my entire life so going to a black college was very different from me um so that's kind of like you know flipped i had like the reverse happen to me um but I’m so now I’m accustomed to being both types of environments and um but i do think that it's important that we start changing and evolving and understanding um the feelings and sentiments of everyone worldwide and especially within our profession and you you need to know and understand that so even as a professional you know who you're dealing with how to address your patients in your communities outside of your communities and um and how they feel about you that's very important we have to get in touch with ourselves and be real and really make sure that we're we're we that we have a level of understanding with one another yeah um i that that word openly uh was uh interesting um term my little brother's gay and i and they usually only use that term for gay they say well he's openly gay they never tay Howard’s openly bold he's openly eats macaroni and cheese uh and it's uh it's just sad i mean that this country was built on two horrendous crimes you know they came here and the first thing they did is they cleared out the endogenous people and the Europeans in the united states and Canada and Australia it's just what they did and then the slavery issue that follows i mean this country was built on two horrendous mortal sins mice oh two old sisters are nuns and these are considered mortal sins these aren't venial sins where you have to say three hail mars the these are mortal sins that uh you know the the it's uh it's just embarrassing it's so ugly it's so gross my brother um he got so sick of you know he's been Kansas he got so sick of all the anti-gay stuff he moved to Sydney Australia and he's a resident in Australia and he has no chance of coming back because down there they're not creating cretin Neanderthals you know they they're intelligent people and it's just uh it's just uh these are these are just such embarrassing times for me uh i wish uh Americans um could appeal to their better angels and it will the long run but you're right it just takes so damn long um i i can and if you if you want to talk about any of those issues we can i feel like an idiot going from that to cosmetic dentistry well and i would love to and i think this is the time because we have an important election coming up and i have a sorority sister by the name of kamala kamala harris who's running for vice president and is that that lady who's Jamaican me crazy she sure is yes he is she's she's making a lot of people crazy right now as she should and she's gorgeous and she is well qualified and i am so proud of her and let me tell you something this sisterhood has nothing to do with it she is a sharp woman and it is it just makes me so proud to see her out there and um you know really taking a a stance on real issues against a lot of men that don't look like her and and it's important to see that it's important for me it is important for my daughter and in my son to see this and witness these times it means a lot to us historically it should mean a lot to everyone historically yeah i know I’ve said this before on the show but you know um i i saw a documentary on sesame street and the two biggest characters were oscar the grouch and big bird and they were by the same artist and the big bird was obvious but it was shocking to me that oscar the grouch was the other most popular now they both got beat out by elmo and then the guy got old and retired but that they asked what's the magic of oscar the grouch and they said that's your grandpa he's yelling at the screen and uh my gosh i am I’m always telling my four boys i don't want to be oscar the grouch and be yelling at that tv screen and what people don't realize is that it is all about the children and the children should not be subjected to the shit they're seeing on tv the shit presidents are saying you know it's it's just uh were allowed the cars on here oh hell no only me but yeah it's embarrassing and and i i grew up with five sisters and my my first uh bout was all this was with my own mother because since i was a boy i could swim in the river which the arkansas river was like literally a hundred feet from our house i could swim in the river and i didn't have to be home until the street lights are on but my five sisters they couldn't swim in the river she put me in jeans and iron patches on them but my sisters were in dresses and if they soiled their dress i was in trouble but if i got a new hole in my levi's it was expected and i used to always wonder his little kid that i used to think god I’m glad I’m not a girl so i can swim in the river and not wear a dress and i'll never forget in 1979 um my dad had um nine sonic drive-ins and he's with a bunch of franchisees i'll never forget this ever and uh the news broke that the united kingdom elected a woman prime minister margaret thatcher and here's my idol here's my dad um jim williams owned uh like a thousand sonics and roger carpenter own a hundred and my dad was the only guy who didn't have a jet he was the small you know he was a small guy and they all looked at each other and they said what the hell would they do something like that for they just picked a woman and they and their heads were all thumping and i was like holy moly i mean what is she supposed to do with her or wanker you know it's like my mom let me swim in the swimming pool and I’m like okay is i is my is my male organ an inflatable device i mean if i start to drown does this save me i mean i just couldn't believe it and um and when barack obama won i said to everybody i said that's what you'd expect because black men could vote in 1862 and women couldn't vote until the suffrage movement in 1912 history always repeats itself black male could vote 30 years before white women so i said yeah we'll have a black president a long time before we have a female president and i just um it's a slow moving deal so how do you stay motivated um how do you stay upbeat uh during times like this how why do you not just like screw the world hate the world be negative nasty and just start you know just stay at home all day and drink beer in your underwear uh how how do you stay fired up motivated to keep it going i do that sometimes too but it's worthwhile and yeah and my robe um however no i am motivated by the youth and i have i have prayed um about this several times and i know that i was selected to mentor young people and to help others in my profession that need guidance and and i know that that message came to me very clearly one day and since then i know that i have to find it within myself find strength to wake up be energized and positive and strong and when i get weak and i tend to lose a little bit of faith i just be i get a little bit more engrossed in my my bible and and i dig deep for messages and for the word and it's there it's there um and and i i just i have two young children I’ve shared that with you they're 9 and 10 years old and i know that if i give up where do they get their strength from how how do i continue to lead i have to leave for my home first and you know they're saying you're no good to anyone else unless you take care of yourself so mentally it's really important that i keep positive people around me that i like i said i uh try to spread the word and i just do make sure that i also practice it that's really important i have to feel good so working out is a big part of my routine and my day um and that's the first that's very important to me so that's the thing that i do between five and six a.m in the morning is that you know i make up wake up and make sure that i am incorporate fitness into my routine because my mental health is important to me also um especially with all the negativity going around i voted yesterday and someone asked me today how i felt on the line um what my experience was like in my area because they're familiar with where I’m from in long island and it almost feels like being in a red state just being online there and um so you experience different things and and it's important to stay mentally strong so those are the the little keys the few things that i do um but i know that that the important thing is that i stay positive so i have you know i have strong parents and uh they instilled all of that into me and i i can't give up you we live for our ancestry so you know people died so i could be here today and i have to keep that legacy going i applaud your attitude I’m uh I’m a irish who drinks uh box wine uh so we're on we're on two different sides of the planet you're in a fancy road with a fancy french wine I’ve got my box wine from costco thinking these guys they just oh my god slippers first okay i want to ask you another dentistry on centerdale because i know how my homies think i mean I’ve lectured a thousand times i give my email to everyone Howard a dental town they're thinking i know if they're from where i was born in kansas went to creighton in omaha and dental school in uh missouri uh it's actually pronounced misery but it's spelled like missouri but anyway um um they're thinking cosmetic dentistry it's all women and if there's a man he's gay is that a safe bet i mean are all your men getting both Botox i mean i i don't know and i i get this because when I’m with my brother what activities can we do i mean i don't want to go to gay bars um we usually go to lunch dinner or i go and get my nails done and and i love it just because um that's something we can both do and you gotta do your nails but i always have them paint a big red flower on it because it's so confusing uh to redneck men when they when they're talking to you and they see that your toenail has a flower on it because they're like i thought he had four kids he's obviously gay he has a flower on his toenail but but honestly what what percent of your practice is boys versus girls and of those boys what percent are gay men versus so you know what's interesting there i would say it's about still about 70 30. so there's a majority of women um however i was right on the first part 70 30. i got a on the first part of the question you did you did absolutely the males and we have a stronger following of um i would say a gay population in our uh brooklyn office but i think because of accessibility like where the location so it's closer to the city my other office is in a very uh suburban neighborhood in long island so you know that affects who's in the who's in the area affects our population are the demographic of our population the a large majority of the males that come in the office in the city area are gay and the rural areas are straight males whose wives send them in and they are huge fans of council abuse i wasn't thinking of that that's just pure plain and simple spousal abuse going to get your nails done and i want your teeth bleaching yes dear it is but they get addicted it's a dick thing yeah because it makes them feel better absolutely i think they get compliments they notice the changes they love it they i know i know you're the lip doctor and i'll get to that but i still got a couple pre questions up for it um i know a lot of I’ve had this conversation at a lot of tables and bars for 30 years at lectures and when they were rolling out the cosmic denser i mean you got to remember that you know um this was a revolution uh when i got to school in 87 it was just beginning and there wasn't one person in 1987 in a university who thought one day the pfm would be extinct and replaced with empress and nobody saw this coming the pfm was just extincting the gold crown like i have seven restorations they're all gold cemented zinc phosphate so the the the pfm and and what really kicked off the cosmic revolution hands down was um iva claire's uh my gosh the president of eclair um he just he just led this um um this whole revolution and bob ganley um was the ceo of iva claire and he's the one who really saw the cosmetic revolution and he really got it going and from that time to now all the guys that look like me we're all like okay we get it i mean bleaching bonding all this on the front of the tooth but come on dude uh a second molar nobody ever sees a second molar i mean i mean i i don't think I’ve ever talked to a person in my life where i could look in their mouth and see first or second molars and even even um so a lot of people are thinking cosmetic dentistry is anterior forward and i can show you this in other parts where like go to the philippines when you go to um middle class asia only the women get the dentistry they root canal build up and pfm the front 16th upper and lower they have nothing behind the canine and then there's her husband edentulous and barefoot and thinks she's gorgeous and and so you you see this around the world where it's just the front 16. so my question to you is you're a lip doctor you that that's the frame of this window of the teeth and i mean how do molars fit into this equation no one sees your molars or am i just nuts you are really concerned about these molars huh yeah well yeah it's so much easier to do an mod amalgam and they last for 38 years now you got this rubber dam doing this deal with you know all this high overhead i mean amalgam no rubber dam a dollar spill 10 minutes it lasts 38 years now we got to replace it with this inert plastic that has no defense against all the microorganisms you got a rubber dam no moisture and I’m sitting there doing all this the whole time thinking well no one's gonna ever see it anyway okay but we didn't even talk about implants what about implants back deep matter but do they matter from a cosmetic point of view i mean do you think do you think people's molars affect the lips and the color and the teeth and when you see a beautiful person on the cover of a glamour magazine you never see their back teeth so do you do back teeth matter we all studied functional occlusal occlusal analysis absolutely so aesthetically do they have to be as pleasing no but are they a part of the story because of the function and the importance of that absolutely i don't think I’ve ever done a full mouth rehab case and not lengthened teeth in the posterior aspect of their mouth so in the best way for me to address them typically is with crowns um because the functionality that restorative mod doesn't have the same ability to hold and sustain that bite the way the crown does so for me i have always had to incorporate molars into my case does that make sense that does make sense another thing i noticed with you um you're um one of your uh i mean you got so many followers on Instagram i mean that that is just amazing 23 000 followers but i noticed a lot of your posts say um medicine plus nature plus blessings it seems like that means something special to you um what do those three words mean to you they are um so they're different labels for our products and the i love incorporating that i was trying to play on words that meant something to me but i wanted the person that received the item to also feel like it was going to help them with their skin care issue so medicine strong for me because i have a strong medical background i was a biochem major and there's a medical component in each product so it's a little stronger than something that would be completely organic and natural that you would find typically on a shelf then the um so there's a medicinal medicinal component sometimes like glycolic acid we have a lot of that in our products um and products that unless you have a my credentials by your name you're not able to incorporate into your product and then the natural element is I’m an organic girl i eat clean and i told you i work out a lot so i like um more products that are more natural so i try to incorporate that also into the line i use a lot of essential oils in the practice and personally within my home on my my own skin i try to use a lot of natural elements of course I’ve taken them and incorporated them into those bottles also and blessings blessings are just simply just that i want to just spread the love and make sure that people understand that all of my products that I’ve created were personal i i created them with a lot of care a lot of love and a lot of concerns um i try to incorporate and i think you'll like this plug the entire uh spectrum of shades and ethnicities into all of my my bottles so they address all types of skin care issues a lot of times we walk into stores and feel like there are products that are not made for us or geared for us or every complexion mine are not like that so they're the fitzpatrick skin care um you know scale and there are lasers that i can't purchase in my office because it will not treat my complexion it wasn't developed and it cannot um help to you know helped me with a skincare related issue um due to the my my color and um so i wanted to make sure that a lot of ethnicities i actually traveled to um a couple years ago and learned a lot about uh some products from there from the dead sea and then i traveled to china last year and i you learn a lot about uh their the natural components that they incorporate into their skin care routine there so i took all of this and i wanted to just share my knowledge and incorporate it into my skincare line and when you travel around the world as Darcy is he your baggage handler does he just carry all your luggage Darcy Silva does he uh she oh that's a she yeah well i i was going back to your your uh your um that um the bachelor thing who is your quote actually so yeah she does pick a bachelor but it's from her show the 90 day fiance and now she has her own spin-off so you missed it Howard you have to watch it she has her own show they uh she just got engaged this is like a big deal she spent a couple of seasons looking for a man a european man and finally met one and it looks like she came to the august and it was fabulous it looks like they're really happy and so we wish her well and we hope for the best for her she's very popular you think i have a lot of problems she has a million and over a million well i i actually have one million followers but they're all in my mind I’m only I’m only a legend in my own mind um these kids come out of dental school and they're looking at you and they're saying when i grow up i want to be a cosmetic dentist just like you but in your title it says cosmetic and laser dental studio and they're thinking they already have 400 000 student loans if they bought a cad cam there's another 140 if they bought a millennium laser there's another 140 they bought a cbct they that's another 100 but they could make three decisions and double their debt what kind of laser does a top cosmetic dentist have is it really expensive is they're affordable so yes they're there there's everything you know these days they're popular now um so i started out with the same debt and i remember buying my first uh violate water lace md from violates back into i don't want to date myself two thousand or something and when i bought that i was like whoa that is that is a high-end car it was a hundred thousand dollars and um but i wanted to improve my practice the scope of my practice and that laser taught me a lot actually that laser pivoted me into the cosmetics so i could remove like um moles and warts and lesions and wrinkles i learned a lot about wrinkles and um deformities and hairs and you know a lot of small lesions that most people don't pay any attention to so i would find some patients and i would occasionally offer them i would say listen i have this service that i could offer with the laser in addition to that i had to learn how to just pick it up and use it so you you know if you spend that kind of money you have to use it so everyone that came to my office knew that if you were getting even if just simple restoration that dr bell was going to use this laser on you it's a different type of experience and they loved it they saw water and light and they didn't hear the sound and it took a little longer sometimes but they actually appreciated the experience and my patients could tell you and um that they did enjoy it i used it uh i did a lot of surgical procedures I’m not an oral surgeon but i but i do a hell of a lot of my own oral surgery and i always have in my private practice so i was grafting and uh placing implants and you name it i i do it all um in terms of my restorative cases and the laser helped me it helped you know to improve my visibility during procedures and i had less concerns um when I’m grafting and cutting through bone and um it really just kind of like helped to pivot me and increase my faith in these the lasers and their capabilities so then i continued to purchase more and more and the one thing that i loved about dental lasers is that in our profession we have soft tissue and heart tissue lasers and everyone all professions can't say that and i really appreciated the fact that i did have that that choice i was able to do a large uh i guess i feel like a selection of procedures with um the lasers that us that we have that are available to us now nowadays I’ve incorporated a lot of skin care lasers um so they're a little different but there are co2 lasers and they're hair removal lasers and we have lasers that um do procedures such as micro needling which is like fine little um in almost like a little light lasered incision so it removes a little bit of tissue and then the tissue heals and tightens um so they all have different modalities and there are so many on the market now um i don't know how anyone could practice especially if they're considered cosmetic without a laser you know what just you just blew my mind you might not know where you just blew my mind but um you know you just really blew my mind because uh when when you're in practice management consulting you know I’ve been telling these kids for for 32 years that a bread and butter practice can get you number one you have to get people out of pain i mean you got to be able to do oral surgery or endo you got to get them out of pain and a lot of um um a lot of the cosmetic people they just like bleaching bonding veneers and in all honesty i already pegged you as the soft and pretty bleaching bonding veneers Botox it just blew my mind that you that you do blood and guts dentistry too that is not common i went to jamaica i know and travel up and down the country and i extracted over 300 teeth in a week that didn't mean you liked it but it sounds like you love it i love it you don't do that because you you don't like it yeah so so but do you do you think that's rare though um liking bleaching bonding veneers and Botox and loving blood and guts because i mean i i almost never see that ever i just think that you don't have the confidence that i have in the skill level in our profession unless you have that kind of background and experience it doesn't just come because you just like pretty things you really have to you've you've experienced things in life that propel you to do those the things that you do well um a lot of what i you see me do on Instagram um and those procedures the aesthetic procedures and the pretty stuff that's I’m doing what my audience and my patients um you know are asking me to do that's actually how i even derived my name the lip doctor it was started off as like a little a little tagline that patients gave me and i just accepted it one day and my staff started using it you know out there on social media um so i didn't develop it it was developed by the audience um it's and it's okay to be recognized for something but i told you that my bread and butter is the the dentistry um and i i was all i always loved oral surgery um i do think that it is kind of like the core of what we do um because you need to have a strong foundation in anatomy and if you don't then you can get yourself into a lot of trouble so um i don't think that you should be surprised by that i i do think that most people that excel at something come from a very strong um you know background in you know in their field let me tell you let me tell you how strongly i feel about this so um you know i was born in 62 which was and the the they call that the flash crash market crash i mean 62 it just crashed got out of school in 80 that was the worst economy I’d ever seen 21 interest rates by the feds chairman paul volcker he had double-digit inflation unemployment um graduating dental school in 87 march of 87 was black monday the stock market fell a quarter then there was y2k at march 2000 then there was lehman's day let's just go back to the last one lehman's day in phoenix 86 dental offices had to close their door half of them were kids who had just opened up their practice and thought that the old playbook where you could open your practice and do a bunch of marketing you get a bunch of places that stop so half of them were practices that were one or two years old the other half were all cosmetic dentists and i knew these people and what they and they um they what they did is they were on scottsdale you'd come in they'd take everything out and replace it with empress and then you know big 20 000 cases and you can always tell the difference between a smart person a dumb person at a very young age just give them give them a hundred dollars when they're 10 and if they go to the mall and come back with a pair of blue jeans in one hour smart people and money always part they never hang on to their money and so the high end during a crash they quit spending or they wouldn't be rich and and these dentists that were cosmetics I’d say and i said to them all dumb I’m like well just just do regular dentistry and they go man i haven't done a root canal or an extraction or a denture or a partial and i realized oh my god all they could do is take out old stuff and replace it with empress they had lost all their skill sets and then um and um and and we and you know these cycles happen every ten years my favorite economist is actually joseph schumter who won the nobel prize the austrian economist saying that um the business cycle it's a cycle because look who's making all the decisions a bunch of crazy humans so after so every seven to ten years they've made so many bad decisions it starts another cycle and like say i lived through the cycle 80 87 2000 lehman's day we're time for another cycle and i the last time this hit the cosmetic dentist who forgot how to pull a tooth they were going under so it was it it's really uh refreshing to see that there's actually a cosmetic legend guru in america's largest city that still likes blood and guts and you got to keep that message out there because in in stocks it'd be called diversification they say Nicki don't have all your money in this stock you know spread it around you know and and when all your money is in bleaching bonding veneers and the economy contracts you're not very profitable i want to i want to go back to um another question because so many people uh you're you're in new York and the united states is a huge country in fact i always get embarrassed when you travel around because half the people come up to you say oh I’ve visited your country and I’m just cringing because i know what it's going to mean it's mean they went to the greater new York meeting never left manhattan and they think that's kansas you know and half of the people that say they've been to america and their dentist they only went to greater new York and they literally think manhattan is the united states of america but but when this pandemic broke out if you're an american it first really hit new York hard i mean really hard and now a lot of dentists around the the the rural part we're starting to hear that in the biggest city um and then the big back east you know that you're 3 000 miles from me that the corona is coming back that it's starting to spike back you're on the ground right there is that what you see or do you not see that is corona coming back to new York is it going to be like it was you know back in march and april no i don't believe that it's going to be back to that extent only because i think that the majority of new yorkers are responsible people i think that we got hit very hard and we handled it very well initially i think that the influx of um people from that would travel you know that are tourists and travelers that were coming into the area and initially like the influx of flights that come in from the international airports i think that brought it in very quickly and then we had to tame the beast um what i can tell you is that i work in downtown brooklyn so we are very close to the center what i call it like the center of new York now manhattan is of course exciting but it's closed down right now so right now technically we're the center that's open um and I’m near barclay center and right near all the shopping so i face macy's which is the center of brooklyn downtown anyhow my area is open so we're allowed to still um conduct business not too far from me there are some specific communities that all of their shopping is completely shut down so there's no there are stores that are not open within this area due to the large amount of cases in their area so um we they're to attempt making attempts to self-contain the areas where the numbers are high so it is very real and it's a little scary and intimidating because the like the same way you know foreigners were able to come here and we saw the numbers increase until things got were shut down within this area in this borough of brooklyn i know that a few mile with it a few miles away there are areas that are completely closed so what are those people going to do in that area they can't shop they can't you know do a lot of their normal daily activities they're going to come outside of that area and engage so we have to monitor this area very closely because the next area that could potentially be shut down is my area um where my office is uh is actually located so i do have concerns so I’m monitoring things very closely I’m practicing very strict rules in our office environment i am lucky enough to have two offices so hopefully if one does get shut down i hope that i can still operate the other one because it's in a completely different community and um i just you know i hope for the best but i do monitor what's going on within this state because it's a little scary because there are a lot of people um you know i don't know if you've heard but within new York state a lot of people are moving also out of the city into the suburbs like literally you know they're getting out of their rental situation because they were in their homes with their young children for months and they couldn't get out there's nowhere to go and they feel like cage birds and they're buying homes upstate and long island and so the housing market is going crazy and realtors will tell you have a lot of friends that are realtors um that the housing market is going crazy and they don't have enough homes to show and so there's a lot of changes going on like physical changes rents i just read this the new i think it's the new new York times this week rents have dropped to the lowest number in history in new York since i think like the 80s under 3 000 in in manhattan and that's unheard of so i gotta tell you the advantage of being old besides just diabetes and high blood pressure and erectile dysfunction is um you you see all these rodeos over again right the oldest guy that ever went to my lecture was in saint joe missouri back in the 80s i think it was like 1989 and he um i was talking to him he was 91 and then i figured out he graduated in 27 the great the the stock market didn't crash till 29 the depression 32-36 and i said well what did you think of the great depression and uh how was that and and no first i asked about prohibition and he said number one that dentistry was so bad that the um that during the heights of prohibition um all that not not one officer enforced uh no alcohol because the anaesthetic at the time was they would give you a tablespoon after a tablespoon after tablespoon of whiskey until you vomited and then when you vomited they'd reach in and they'd extract the tooth and but their liquor was in a medicine bottle and they got it from the pharmacist and no one enforced it and the pharmacist if he was really nice would add opium and morphine and cocaine into the anesthesia so um um you know we have that but as far as the depression though you know what he said to me blew my mind he goes the depression was the best thing that ever happened to dentistry because we were all outside and we were all barber surgeons and no no dennis could go inside but after the depression everything was boarded up and went bankrupt and pretty soon it was abandoned and then we were able to afford to go inside and he said looking back at american dentistry um when we went inside all the dennis and saint joe kind of got together and said let's quit doing the shaving the hair cutting in the boots and when they moved inside he said that's when we you know because pierre fishard was a barber surgeon and um and you know and um so he said that was the great depression is what art ushered out the barber and then into the surgeon and made us what we are today i got um i i we went over an hour but i still got some overtime questions can i ask you got time for a couple more questions yep I’m here okay so when you look at the spectrum of people and obviously i would judge a younger person like you and beautiful on cosmetics versus an older guy no i just would but the but the older guys they always sit there and say you know the only porcelain veneers that are pretty and look real they're stacked porcelain laminates and then the younger kids saying oh no i make all my veneers on a cerak machine from dentsply sirona for a hundred and thirty thousand dollars and um my question is in your high-end market with expectations to the roof are you old-school girl using feldspathic porcelain at a lab or you chairside milling on monolithic porcelain because here's the other question we don't get when people say well does it look natural well i mean what the hell looks natural when you have lipstick on I’m not saying you're thinking oh god Nicki you must have incredible circulation i can see the vermilion borders of your lips i can almost count the red blood cells i mean you know it's lipstick you i mean i i don't so i know i threw a lot at you but um are you doing cad cam chair side milling monolithic veneers or are you old school sending an impression to a lab with feldpathic porcelain I’m old school uh probably just has a lot to do with the year that i graduated and um but no i actually like the results um overall from with with the photopathic and my lab um and i honestly did milling for a while and i just didn't achieve the same results that's just my from my personal experience um i think it kind of depends on you know what where you also want to financially you know i guess um make all your make all your expenses in your business so for me it just made more sense to continue to use the lab because i don't need all of that equipment in my office if I’m not producing and doing as many dental cases as i did in the past so due to the changes with the aesthetics market because we're such a high we have such a an aesthetic audience that's more uh into our spa services um i do not have a need for a milling machine any longer in my office and um like i said I’m happy with my uh veneer results with my lab but I’ve used the same lab i think for at least 17 years so I’m just also i have a strong relationship with them and i think that's important that i think that's an old school like frame of thought you know once you have that relationship um there was another question what was that well another thing I’m going out with this is um beauty i mean it's not math it's not like the cosine and tangent of of a number i mean it's not an angle it's a it's what you believe in when you go around the world it's very common for europeans to laugh at Americans of um having too white of teeth and you haven't even seen white till you go to the middle east because when you're a girl in the middle east and you're already covered up in a sari and a bell and the only thing that's going to come out is your teeth i mean they they bleach and white off the charts um so when I’m in new York i'll never forget the first time i uh checked into a hotel in new York i heard this lady checking all these people and i got up to the county i said how many languages can you speak and she goes oh at the hyatt they won't even hire you if you can't speak five languages and i thought holy moly so you're in the most multi-cultural city in all the americas north and south um do when people are coming in how do you know what's natural and pretty when you're talking to people from around the world and some people your your version of pretty might look like a cartoon clown white teeth uh to someone who's more who came from say germany so how do how do you um how do you balance all these different expectations from all these different cultures and ethnicities that's an interesting question you know what i I’ve learned to um just sort of relate rely completely on my own like professional opinion i listen to the patient and i i gain an understanding of their expectations but i think that the reason why they're here physically in my office today is because they are attracted to my results so i stick to what i know and what i like and and i don't try to you know exaggerate things and overuse things and even when they make that recommendation i want them to do things that look appear to be as close to natural as possible without being too conservative and i because i want them to enjoy their result also but i try to be realistic and that's different for everyone so you can you know do a service on one person who has absolutely no lips and then do the same service on someone who has very large lips you're gonna get two totally different results so your deliverance is really important i don't want that person with the large lips to leave looking like a clown and i don't want the person with small lips to leave looking like they have no result um so you know it really you have to you gain some an understanding of what they need to achieve and believe it or not during the procedure a lot of times i'll stop midway and let them look at the results so far to gain their approval and acceptance and just make sure that we're on the same page but the key is just like anything else in life making sure that you give them a realistic um interpretation of what you're gonna do before you do it so i think that people trust me because I’m just very honest from the beginning okay um i i can't believe we went over an hour and i know you're busier than a one-armed dentist but we you just took out you gotta you gotta at least stay long enough for Botox um i mean if you would ask me in dental school that someday one of our classmates would be injecting Botox i would have thought you were drinking um um how where did where did your journey start with Botox and um and is that uh a big deal in your practice what's bigger bleaching bonding veneers Botox where does that sit on your menu is it you know is it an appetizer is it really common is it a backbone of your practice Botox and fillers are the entree that's it that's that's it that's what we primarily do now i don't do i didn't think i don't do i do a very small percentage of um dentistry in my practice i have associates and they do a lot of the dentistry now and i also lecture and host webinars so i have doctors that come here and i do a hands-on and teach them specifically how i do particular procedures so i do i set it up as like a university so you can graduate from a freshman to matriculate from a freshman to a senior and i'll show you more advanced style techniques to create certain looks like now there's something called like a russian lip so there are procedures that we do with fillers and Botox like uh another one is the Botox brow lift so rather than having like a flat brow you can get a little lift here if you know how that technique you have to hit certain muscles in order to achieve that so um you do have to be skilled in order to do it and um the i think that that's that's really key that um i continue to share my knowledge that's what i try to do um i i enjoy teaching and just showing sharing it also with the public but also with um other doctors so others ca you know in our profession i hope that our community continues to add these procedures we're head and neck surgeons that's who we are by nature and so if you can intraorally you know hit these nerves every day 20 times a day guess what you can do extra fully it is very it is there's a big correlation between the two areas i think that we get easily intimidated in our field however i think that we rule the head and neck area and and my patients definitely appreciate that i have one waiting for me right now for some Botox so um you know well I’m just saying plastic surgery used to be a taboo subject now if you mention Botox no one even raises an eyebrow like it's hard I’m straining there's no lines though that's the important part so I’m older right I’m not telling you my age but I’m older but this is it moves so i can make expressions but it's preventative so over time over let's say five I’ve done this for five years this weakens over time and it moves less so i use less Botox now than i needed in my let's say 30s and and i can i don't need to as many treatments any longer either but yes Botox is no longer taboo i don't i think that um you know long ago in the days of here's the this is another important piece these are non-invasive procedures so we're we know we're aging we're living longer but we're aging and we want to still look good so what's worse like you know getting the nip in the tuck and the pull or administering a couple of injectables over the years and trying to sustain that look can't lose i love the idea i loaned one of my friends fifteen thousand dollars for plastic surgery and now i can't get my money back because now i don't know what he looks like but um hey Nicki i could talk to you for 40 days and 40 nights i know you got patients out there um i just want to sit there and say on so many levels thank you for coming on the show thank you for being a role model uh thank you for having such a great attitude during these uh horrendous times i mean you're just uh just a strong person love you to death and uh i hope someday you grace dental town uh with uh we we put 400 online courses on dental town they've been viewed a million times or an article i know if we put your uh but if you ever if you ever want an article or an online c uh it'd be an honor to have you on here thank you so much for coming on this show today and if something ever happens or you got something new to talk about you ever want to come back uh you got my cell you got Howard dentaltown.com give me a call and it was uh it was an honor and a privilege to have you thank you so much i i enjoyed this more than i i of course thought that i would i am so thrilled that now i have a friendship with you and and that i was able to reach out to like i said our fellow dentists out there and hopefully encourage someone but for the record let's be clear i tried to become a patient i center all my dental work up and i said what would you recommend for me i said and she said you know the best way for you to lose 10 pounds ugly fat is not liposuction it'd be to cut off your head and uh that was that was your entire treatment plan for me i i didn't say hey thank you so much Nicki and after the pandemic i i'll see at the greater new York uh meeting to see what the real america looks like in manhattan that's right all right have a great day 
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