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is much more efficient. Digital impressions sent to the lab work very well, especially if you have a dx wax up done. Insurance? Down coding is more of a problem than denials. Even if you only used it to make crowns you only need to do a few a week to make it worthwhile. I am on my third CEREC but am
October 09, 2017
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insurance to pay?MattIt's hard to tell from the pictures, but the amount of decay could justify a crown. Depends on what the insurance companies consider a crown. Unfortunately, insurance companies don't care if you are trying to be conservative with your preps. I think it's tough to get insurance
March 11, 2007
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to file the insurance from him and have had virtually NO denials. Whether you buy a used Bluecam or new Omnicam you should make the jump. It has been fantastic for my practice and my patients. And go take a course from Todd. He'll help you from the beginning.+1 Thanks Tom, and Andre. There's
February 20, 2015
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I am OBSESSED with turning my practice into a same day CEREC dentistry practice. My friend has done this, but he works in a different area and sees only self-pay patients. I work in a practice that is primarily insurance, PPOs, and self pay. Most of our new patients come to us on insurance plans
March 06, 2017
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it required total coverage of a t least one cusp tip - but I've picked up from some that such is not necessarily the case. I'm familiar with what insurance requires (records/proof wise) for crown claims. How does this differ, assuming it does, with onlay claims? Is it a good idea to have photos of before
July 18, 2014
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are patients in your practice. The people who do care about the second visit are patients in my practice. Patients are constantly telling me that, now, they will never consider an old school, behind the times practice for a dental home. You are in denial Doc. It's all about how it's approached. In more
November 23, 2015
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just a hunch, right? that's not what she says Um yeah. I have a small office (FFS 70%/PPO 30%) with around 1000 pts. I bought a CEREC about a year ago and haven't looked back. I had about 4 years experience with CEREC at my previous office. I bought this office in April 2015 and worked about a...
March 08, 2017
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couldn't bill out to insurance for the buildup. She says insurance doesn't cover build ups under cerec crowns. Something else that I think is probably false. Any... Ah.. so there it is, its about third party behavior in regards to build up payment. The coding is not methodology (cad/cam/lab, domestic
August 20, 2018
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case is the same as the prep date. This can be a red flag to some insurance. All they want the number for is to see if you actually own a Cerec/E4D. Just give the number and move on with your life.I happen to believe that it is none of their f&%#ing business. When this happened to me I
June 11, 2014
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, and charges for both services, this is a straight lie. That is not common practice, that is insurance fraud. If a separate build up is not placed it cannot legally be charged out. This is not a cerec thing, just a jackass down the street breaking the law, breaking the law! Definitely not anything
October 09, 2020
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on the day of the prep and file the crown on the day of seating. This was one of the most clever tricks I have yet to see by an insurance company. There defense is, how can you do a build up on the day you seat a crown. Then they word it so most offices will just write it off. Just call them
October 30, 2015
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I don't makethe rules. The average cost for an inlay is $250. The average cost of an onlay is $900. And the average cost of a crown is without insurance is $1,430. With insurance average cost of a crown is $953.....(I just pulled that from google.)internal line angles are rough, very sharp. Margins
August 24, 2018
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how many docs out there doing Inlays/Onlays. 90% partial coverage with 2003 red cam. 10% full...I use cerec but getting insurance to pay for an inlay or onlay is difficult if not impossible. How do you make this happen? I take intraoralphotos of fracturesand broken cusps to help document. Any advice
April 26, 2017
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to make it work with the milling and insertion time, plus the cost of the blocks. I'm assuming insurance won't pay for an indirect inlay, because they will say a composite is sufficient. So, patient will probably pay just as much (if not more) than they would for a crown. So, direct composite is probably
June 16, 2017
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that for fear that the insurance companies might give us a hard time about lab fees for an internal lab. Turns out it has not been a problem. If we mill composite, we charge it as direct.What are you coding it as???My understanding is that beginning in January the composite crown (which are over
February 18, 2014
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insurance coverage work. Do insurance companies cover them as basic or major restorative? Do they downgrade them to fillings? How do you approach the conversation with patients. Unlike a filling or a crown, most patients have never heard of an onlay, so I imagine that creates some challenges
June 11, 2021
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the only came in town)?over E-max or Vita/Empress Cad?wow! thanks! good bye Atlantis..The major advantages:ease of millease of useable to be repaired easilynot brittle like ceramiclittle polymerization shrinkage vs. directsMajor disadvantage:ADA codes separated them from ceramics and insurance coverage put
December 09, 2009
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of his CEREC products were 3/4 crowns. I'm not sure why he always chose to do this as opposed to an onlay.Mark, I hate to tell you this, but this WAS the definition in the CDT up until just recently. The confusion with onlays came with Limoli (an insurance coding guru) defining them in the 90's
April 14, 2014
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I'm about to take the plunge into cad-cam, and actually one of my biggest concerns is the amount of insurance we take, and the amount of people we see that need crowns but can only pay half at prep date. Do you guys allow half down and half a few weeks later if final is to be cemented that day? I
June 30, 2016
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Skrammy is obviously well-read. It was Bill Strupp's article in Glidewell's Chairside mag.Thanks for the responses. Thanks Phil. I must say that it is mostly an insurance thing. If I'm doing the extra work I'm not gonna cut the insurance a break. When I'm dealing with cash paying patients I
January 28, 2014
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probably have done it without a model....As insurance I milled out this Quadrant model....just because I can! Dentistry is going ALL Digital in 2014....tell a friend!
January 03, 2014
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Cerec's and two galileos'. An image intensifier went out in one of the cbct's (a $25,000 part as it was out of warranty) I asked for the logs of the work that was done so I could submit to insurance. It only took my rep 9 months to get those for me, when I received them they were on line entries
August 22, 2018
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If you place your build up the same day as your do a cerec crown, delta dental will deny the claim (bundle it with the crown). The same if you do a gingivectomy. The insurance company force you to do it as 2 or 3 visits to get paid. The convoluted paths some of these threads take are amusing
March 16, 2014
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% or greater.what I have found is that some insurance companies pay LESS for a ceramic crown that a PFG crown. even though lab fees for all ceramic crowns are usually more than PFG's.what I fear is that the insurance companies will influence the ADA to change that definition. thew ADA is supposed
August 31, 2009
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on the same tooth. Our crowns have a 5 year warranty. If it needs to be replaced before then, no charge to the patient. I had one patient say only 5 years? I told him that's longer than a new car warranty. 5 years, or however long it is until insurance will cover a new one Well I worry about fracture
November 21, 2024
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this case perfect. So.....what's the big deal about this case? What was wrong with the PFM? Decay? Sensitivity? It was old enough insurance would cover it? At least provide more than just some photos and what was done...
December 26, 2014
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PPO insurance I am signed up for. How do you approach these? Are most doctors doing 2 separate appointments? Do you post and leave a large build-up (potentially causing periodontal inflammation) then bring back for the CEREC prep and insert? Just curious and thanks in advance for the responses
September 15, 2015
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is a common one that many lurkers & others interested in CEREC will appreciate. Regarding insurance coverage for CEREC, I refer to my CEREC restorations as crownlays, as the difference between a crown & an onlay seems to be quite blurred now. Basically, I am conserving tooth structure wherever
August 20, 2009
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are always fun.Sorry, Auggi. I left some bondo, but that's why I take the Xray!Todd, how much occlusal adjustment? Antagonist? I'm thinking about doing more full crowns instead of inlays and onlays------easier and less insurance hassles. Right or wrong? d bealBiogeneric is the database
December 22, 2007
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would handle that stuation with your lab right now. if there is a need for a new crown after the endo, its an awkward situation with your patient. they jsut paid for the crown. the insurance isn't going to pay for another one. probably why its acceptable to plug the access hole back up
November 16, 2005
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filling. was an hour appointment for both and I collected about 600$ 2nd one I coded as an inlay I think. Again oon. When I am doing one for insurance I will put a 1mm shoulder circumfrentially and then it is a very conservative crown prep. Why don't you just tell the truth about everything you did
March 26, 2025
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mistakes and take ownership of them. Move beyond denial. I dunno. I bought a used mcxl/omnicam setup 4 yrs ago for 80k and it has made bank for us. Used with no cerec club fees is the way to go imo.Used is the only way to go. Edit by administrator due to baiting others...No, you conflating
February 09, 2019
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it could be worth it. I am not a Sirona boy. When I was in practice, I paid the SAME fees you did. I personally find your comment revolting. If you hate all that is sacred with CEREC, don't do it. Pretty simple. Stephen, just read between the lines-- Your Fucked! Had my heath insurance premiums
June 18, 2015
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what they have. One thing to keep in mind, for those of us lacing them up and playing in the PPO world. (I don't think that's you Brian, but perhaps I'm wrong.) Getting onlays paid for when insurance is at play is long, painful, tedious and you chew up a ton of admin time doing it. That has nothing
July 21, 2014
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for ChairsideEconomicalRestoration of Esthetic Ceramics I'm an insurance/dso dentist...it's painful. Not complaining, it is what it is, life could be worse. ;) Here is an example of my work...bw further down the thread, hope this helps you? Asking to everyone on the message board...How long are you booking
February 19, 2020
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for this service, talent like this should not go unrewardedI actually do charge more (around $200) for anteriors than posteriors. Just a lot more work and a lot more expectations. Am I alone with this, or do others do the same?this sound about right to me. my problem is that my practice is about 75% insurance
July 24, 2008
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lower quality? I'm talking about a convenience feeWhy would you charge extra? You don't have to make temp crown and don't have to call Pt for second appt.If it's cash, charge whatever you want. If it's insurance, I wouldn't play that game. I would charge an inconvenience fee for having to temp
December 29, 2017
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With recurrent decay! EMAX CorrelationI HATE INLAYS.Just thought I would say that. What a pain in the ass. Hard to prep, hard to handle, hard too get perfect contacts and margins, and insurance reimbursement is crappy.This case today I wouldn't have done with the CEREC....but the patient had been given
September 10, 2008
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thickness, but I gave it an extra 0.1mm for insurance. That's why it is slightly higher in value. But, in traditional DT mantra.................. The patient was thrilled!No doubt.This was one of those times where the patient wasn't able to pay a lot. You know as well as I do, how easy
November 05, 2009
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. If it stays asymptomatic, great. If not, you're covered and the patient is prepared for future options. I thought I saw a fracture running distal to mesail. This tooth is toast. Ed I use a Canon dSLR for all preop photos for insurance. So, I'm used to being able to find a crack on a photo to point out
March 13, 2016
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with him, but he wanted to save the natural tooth if possible and also wanted the smallest copay possible. With his insurance the copays for crown, post/build up, and rct was still under $1000. For implant, abutement, crown he was looking at well over $3000. I would have preferred the implant
September 20, 2013
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ER Patient came in with broken old restoration #30 with reversible pulpitis. Ended up doing an Inlay/onlay (charged out an inlay to insurance and patient).<br/><br/>Isolite placed and away we go!Didn't think about documenting the case until after I started making tooth dust
June 24, 2015
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would consider. Ed Personally, I would have provisionalized with a lava crown and used his insurance benefit for phase 1 caries removal. I hope the post op BW looks much better than the post op PA image. I can't imagine attempting to bond an all ceramic crown in such a situation. GI cement all day
December 28, 2015
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to the advantages of our members that is also of interest to consumers. About 26% of consumers say they want to buy an individual dental plan. If the majority of our members offer an in office plan, like QDP, that is a new story we can tell to the public, and maybe even hammer insurance. But if only 3 members offer QDP, we can't talk about it. Anything you can offer that consumers are interested in separates your practice from others.
October 20, 2015
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insurance. The prismatic tube getting scratched is an accident in the same way. If your car was under bumper to bumper warranty and quit running, the warranty would fix it. If someone ran into you and it quit running, your insurance would fix it. The service club would cover a significant portion
July 13, 2015
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? Was it a winner, loser or break even? I only average about 7 crowns a month, but I'm only in network with one insurance. Thanks for your input. Financially..not a winter. I just wanted to break even. I probably did that. I was doing 15-20/month when I first purchased. I do about 20-30 now. But my lab emax
March 12, 2017
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Being a cosmetic dentist as I like to call myself and don't mind if my patients do I typically send all anterior work to my lab. Love the work. But occaisionally I get patients whose budget is low or there insurance is blah and I need to cut costs to still make a buck yet still get
January 24, 2015
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the model and I image it . I can easily align my correlation on the modle without torquing the poor pts mouth open too much in the case of a second molar. I also have instant insurance for a temp that took 30 seconds of assistant time. BY the way I only started doing this the last few weeks after
October 26, 2005
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.....you screwed. On the flip side ppo prescribes what is covered and not. Full metal and downgraded fills. Insurance is dirty game on both sides. Same code. So do they ( DSO) charge more for same day filling too? This seems complicated. Isnt there a digital scan code or something that we can use
August 16, 2020
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energized every morning, but I never have 2or3 crowns on the sched. And I'm in the 2nd fastest growing county in the country (Wake,NC). I've got Medicaid adults ringing the phone off the wall, but that's not the best solution. What would you do to increase patient numbers? Insurance contracts? Advertise
October 16, 2024
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