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desk /insurance coordinator deal with insurance on the phone all day. Watch them verify benefits, handle denials, send out claims. This will get you familiar with insurance. Then talk to business owners about payroll and business management. Running a dental office from a business side is no different
December 28, 2014
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going to be $77000 annually. $120000 salary -30000 taxes -48000 student loans -24000 health/disability/life insurance - of course you can go without these if you want to roll the dice. =$18000 to live the entire year, $42000 if you forego all insurances. Oh, and your friends that make 50-60k? Most
January 25, 2017
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getting good surgical care and he leaves it at that. No time/interest to connect with the patient. At Medicaid prices he justifies the volume and lack of customer service stuff as the patients issue having that type of insurance. His goal is good surgery at high volume. He makes $ but I am waiting
April 10, 2026
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think many will gravitate to an easy public health job and get some loan forgiveness. FMLA, maternity leave, good health insurance, holidays, etc. LMFAO! True. And I sure as hell want EVERYONE to do well in dentistry. With the extreme costs of DS, private practice is going to be the best way to get out
December 20, 2025
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Hello, first time posting and I just graduated Dental school and have been getting alot of emails about taking advantage of all the insurances I will need down the road but could save money when I sign up as a student (approx. 30%). I will be doing a one year GPR so I know I wont need it right away
May 27, 2021
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insurance in dental school or in their GPR and became disabled during their GPR year. This dentist will never be able to practice dentistry again and has loans and life expenses piling up. A truly sad story and I am looking to help find this person a job, but the hourly pay range will be so much less
May 28, 2021
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homie Mr. Debt while I use my utilize my skillz working in a slightly more enjoyable environment and post on DT talking as much shit as I can. Doable or nah? Doable until life gets in the way. Health insurance could kill half of your 2500 a month. Then comes a wife. Girlfriends don't like
November 10, 2015
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... Basically - tax increasesMore retiring dentists + more offices for sale + aging population = Less corporate influence? Less insurance? More demand for dental services by aging population? Wishful thinking ... ?More implants? it's probably not the number of retiring dentists that would
August 29, 2014
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of this nature. I started dental school in 2014, I thought I would be rich with $100,000 a year income, I didn't have any concept of mortgage/insurance/life expenses. How could anyone at that age with a relatively stable home life? and hell my parents were never six figure earners and we got by pretty well
December 18, 2025
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So, when you pay healthcare insurance for employees --- they paying tax on the value of that too? When you contribute to their 401k, they paying tax on the amount you contributed? If you work for a Prison or work for some public health clinics -- they list $50,000 paid towards your loan per year
June 23, 2017
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think the big offices that were based on the model of cheap real estate and cheap labor are they ones closing. Those big places inevitably take most ppo insurance to try and feed the rent and staff costs. Pay and real estate costs have sky rocketed. That model is broken. I worked for perfect teeth in 4
January 04, 2026
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popped, so I get the resentment towards the OP from SDN. Yet, they have to understand the realities, not only regarding the tuition, but also declining insurance reimbursements, lack of true associateships, competition from the corps and the plethora of other things that come up on the GTFOOMO
January 26, 2017
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. I think the only restaurant I would own is Chipotle. I could eat there breakfast lunch dinner no problems. Imagine eating panda express everyday. Barf. This is correct. Veterinarian owners are making bank if they are running a well-organized office. And they don't deal with the insurance monster
December 12, 2025
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, that when they have little to go on, they migrate to brands. Add one more again, that because insurance is the major force talking to consumers, they have successfully emasculated any notion of individuality and commoditized the profession. We are going to reverse that. We will in about a week
July 29, 2014
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reform is overdue and it will be addressed at one point IMO. If ADA is smart, it better prepare and take control of this profession. (I wonder if they even have any 10 year plan. It seems to me that theyre more interested in selling life insurances)Or student loan bubble keeps going up and it gets
August 02, 2020
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, moved to a better state, retired already with a MAGD and an MBA... That being said, I'd still take a bullet for my wife. I also love Alameda. Also, I think that it depends on what you define as "making." I like to take advantage of every legal tax shelter possible: retirement, health insurance, etc
December 24, 2025
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you to ADA surveys of steady declining revenue of both dentists and specialists. If you'd like more convincing click almost any thread here on DT, 80% of them are people chatting investments to retire early, GTFOOMO, complaining of staff issues, declining insurance rates, problem patients, etc. etc
December 11, 2025
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to interview all over the place or can you strategize and group some interviews together? There are too many variables here. I'd say anywhere from $5-10k would be a safe bet to save without any other information. Worst case scenario: you saved extra for when you have no income for the first month or two post-graduation depending on how long it takes to get credentialed with insurance, etc.
March 20, 2017
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in today's marketplace? Insurance is literally choking us to death, many practitioners are valiantly struggling to stay in business hoping just to make payroll. The landscape has dramatically changed in the last 5 years and the future is somewhat unknown and dubious at this point. You don't go
July 31, 2014
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different planet from me and I am NOT surprised. I'm unsure how you and your classmates are going to make bank when you're going to graduate in an environment where dental insurance companies are reducing and restricting reimbursements to dentists. Give the dental insurance companies and corporate
January 14, 2017
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of home depot running the show, its another ball game. Dentists can't even band together to tell these insurance companies to take a hike....how are we gonna raise enough money to make dental school free? I'm happy for these students, they will never know the burden of student loans.... JustinNYU just
April 08, 2019
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) 1575 1575 Liability Insurance 25 25 ASDA Student Activity Fee 120 120 Information Technology Access Fee 99
August 30, 2022
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because that is what people at the school tell you to do. The advisor though I had some kind of trust fund or something, but he was wrong. I felt stupid for going to the appointment afterwards but got a life insurance policy from it. Not worth having an advisor. Maybe get a copy of the White Coat
February 10, 2025
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of school I make twice what we combined to make back then. At my current income, we have less money than we had making 80K with almost no debt. Most of my money goes to taxes, debt service, health insurance (was free at old jobs, now just under 10K per year), licensing fees, disability insurance, life
August 06, 2014
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- tax free. So really, considering the taxes, its more like making ~160K at another job sign up for this while you're in school. A lot of these places have great benefits, like Health Insurance, paying your malpractice, paid vacation, paid sick leave, government holidays off, etc. Not to mention
July 22, 2014
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of insurance. I would not want to deal with 450k at 6.5% while my compensation drops 5% a year. That's a bad, bad situation. 450k is criminal. That is too much money that you don't need to pay to acquire a dental license. Just get an Army/Navy/Airforce 4 year full scholarship. The 4 years will fly
February 27, 2017
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was likely finishing up school in the 90s through maybe 2008 or so. This group had very low interest rates, low debt, and DSOs hadn't tsken a hold of the profession. In addition, insurance reimbursement were going up not down. Technology took huge leap forward during this time too. We were able
August 25, 2019
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with this advice and make sure it's coming from a fiduciary financial advisor who doesn't charge more than 1% a year in assets under management for his or her services. I've had a ton of problems with clients advised by commissioned load mutual fund salespeople or whole life insurance agents who have
December 14, 2016
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Insurances will never raise their fees, because dentists are a push over. In fact, I would be surprised if they dont cut their reimbursement fees in the future. Dentists have a lot of tenacity throwing each other under the bus.. But bend over for insurance companies So true. Looked on SDN and saw
October 09, 2023
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Summer 2014 $12,107 $21,515 YEARLY FEES Student Disability Insurance (annual) First and Second Year students $95.00 Third
December 15, 2016
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and insurance BS? Decreased insurance reimbursements? Increased saturation.. Entering a profession knowing you are going to pay Atleast 8% more in taxes than others careers is terrible. Plenty of jobs make six figures. Also banking on federal government bailout may be wishful thinking... Also, debt
August 27, 2019
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but each year has gotten tougher and I agree no way in hell I could recommend someone take out 500+K in debt to become a dentist. I haven't seen a major insurance carrier increase fees one penny in 8 years of ownership. Should the economy tank again like in 2008, the road to hell will only
August 26, 2019
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??? Of course, you and I know who the real winners and losers will be. Winners: Dental School Deans, Delta Denta of Washingtonl (e.g. Jim Dwyer and cronies) as well as other insurance companies (ie. they'll further decrease insurance reimbursement) , and Corporate Dentistry Losers: University of Washington
December 04, 2018
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, and that is what you get reported on these surveys. What is not reported is the business income (net profit), retirement funding, savings, trips, vacations, medical/liability/business insurance, autos, write-offs, properties, ... For example, I pay myself a living salary of $140,000. My business
August 06, 2014
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patients a day? why take so many insurances? etc. Are you afraid? Slave to your lifestyle? Don't like change? I'm really curious. I think it's naive to think you don't have to ever stuff morals in a drawer working for an IBM or a Pfizer or other company. My wife worked for 15 years for a GE
July 10, 2013
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, malpractice insurance, most to all of medical insurance, 401k with matching, group term life, 3-6 weeks paid vacation, holidays, a week paid time off for continuing education with up to $3k for CE, no lab fees to worry about. With all these factors, I feel confident that I am getting paid equal
March 28, 2019
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considered purchasing a life insurance policy in this unlikely event. And, I agree with you that the current economic environment has produced very competitive private loan interest rates. You've realized those benefits the last 3 years, but you've not entered the 15 year repayment
July 15, 2014
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, buy a home, max their SEP IRA, etc.Of course with that exceptional income he could probably afford to pay down most...Those are truly impressive numbers. Are you completely out of network with all insurance types?Damn. Those are some numbers that would make even the biggest of DT ballers blush
December 25, 2016
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married and talked to a financial guy in 2000. Read your contracts before you think about consolidation!!! I'm not suggesting you die, but if they are dischargeable upon death, you might want to keep things as they are. Sure you can buy life insurance and maybe that will offset things, but read your
April 02, 2014
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. Absolutely never ever take insurance or go in network with any plan. This is the only way I would tell them to do it.I am toiling away in PPO hell and feel like I cant get out, and I wouldnt want that for my kids. Kids have no concept of debt/interest. They only hear what the Dean of Admissions
July 30, 2024
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are getting in to. Its not a 100% cash business like most industry . Most of the business aspect is tied to insurance industry with regulations to protect them from losing money. Its getting tougher and tighter since the market is flooded with Dentist. Just drive around any little town and browse any local
July 08, 2013
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money focused docs have helped contribute to all the fuckery of insurance companies. All those little ways of gaming the system and the ways that insurance companies have responded. I'd like to see integrity being a more prevalent value. Of course I see the same thing in coaching. There's a shitload
November 26, 2020
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! It was hard for me, so I'm going to work to make sure it isn't hard for others! Or insurance for people who want to live ocean front or in a flood zone. The list goes on and on.What gets me is that higher education has become predatory, and forgiveness does nothing about that. This will make
August 25, 2022
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to deal with in life and now you are telling them they are gonna struggle with what many consider a 'lucrative profession.' I actively dissuade young kids from this jerb. Everyone talks about how much tuition is increasing which is ridiculous enough. But they also need to realize that the insurance
March 07, 2017
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advising services excluding coming up w student loan repayment strategies, I gotta say dentists should be super careful in their dealings with advisors. If an advisor isn't a fiduciary I wouldn't work with them on anything except maybe disability insurance. Otherwise they'll try to sell you a junk
July 24, 2017
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first $120k of gross incomegoes straight to student loan debt. I predict 2018will be the year of the dental school debt collapse as insurance companies slash Allowed fees on all covered or non covered items......and corporate offices will exhaust new patient sources......hope I am wrong but I don't
December 28, 2016
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have to agree with me. If they can get their patients to accept their high fees....good for them. With increase in competition (due to openings of new dental/ortho schools) and decline in insurance pays, we, CA dentists, dont really have any other choices. Keeping the overhead low and work hard (high
August 27, 2024
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to them talk. Most (probably all) of them are little more than insurance salesmen. They'll want to sell you a disability policy (which is something you'll need when you graduate), which will probably include a year or so of free financial planning. But a big part of that financial plan is liable
February 08, 2014
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due to insurance, and the schools are competing with DSOs and CHCs. Tax dollars! But I know our main campus used dental income to make up shortfalls in other ares, non-dental. All the schools are pushing towards it. But, they never really share what they do with all that money. And it is a lot
January 19, 2017
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out an ADA income survey for many years, but when I did, they included other things in the total such as malpractice insurance paid by the business which inflated it more as always (and has been) the answer is to marry for money and not love Any firsthand experience with that? perfect opportunity
January 11, 2017
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